19188: Esser: U.S. Is Arming Anti-Aristide Paramilitaries (fwd)

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Wednesday, February 25th, 2004
Haiti's Lawyer: U.S. Is Arming Anti-Aristide Paramilitaries

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As opponents of Haitian President Aristide reject a U.S.-brokered
peace plan, we speak with Ira Kurzban who has served as General
Counsel for the government of Haiti since 1991. [includes transcript]
The situation in the small island nation of Haiti appears to be
heading toward a breaking point. The groups opposed to the government
of Jean-Bertrand Aristide have rejected a US-brokered plan that many
viewed as favorable to Aristide's opponents. The groups say they will
settle for only one outcome--the complete removal of Aristide from
power. Yesterday, the man who was believed to be the compromise
appointment as Haiti's Prime Minister threw his support behind the
opposition groups in calling for Aristide to step down.

Aristide on Tuesday called for help from the international community
and warned of a rising death toll and a new exodus of "boat people"
from the country.

What is perhaps more significant than the opposition groups rejection
of the plan are the armed commandos and gangs that are now in control
of half the country and are threatening to move on the capital
Port-au-Prince very soon. There are very real fears that the
democratically-elected Aristide could be overthrown in a violent coup
d'etat. As we have reported regularly on the program, many of the
leaders of these paramilitary gangs have had direct ties to the CIA,
the Defense Intelligence Agency and other US government agencies.
They were men at the forefront of the murders, rapes and tortures
that marked the 1991-94 coup against Aristide.


TRANSCRIPT

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AMY GOODMAN: We're going to start with Ira Kurzban, a Miami based
lawyer. Since 1991, he served as General Counsel for the government
of Haiti. Welcome to Democracy Now!.

IRA KURZBAN: Good morning.

AMY GOODMAN: It's good to have you with us. What is your assessment
of what's happening in Haiti right now?

IRA KURZBAN: Well, I think this is clearly a military operation, and
it's a military coup. We have analyzed the kinds of weapons that
these people have brought from the Dominican Republic, who they are,
how they're organized, and they're organized, really, as a military
commando strike force that's going from city to city. They're very
well organized, and they're armed to the teeth with the kinds of
weapons, Amy, that really, no one has ever seen in Haiti, except when
Haiti had an army. This notion that somehow, you know, this is kind
of a rag-tag group of people who had arms that they got originally
from Aristide, which is kind of what's playing in the press
generally, is just totally untrue. When we have looked at the weapons
that they have, they have M-16's, M-60's. They now have armor
piercing weapons they have rocket propelled launchers. They have
weapons to shoot down the one helicopter that the government has.
They have acted as a pretty tight-knit commando unit, and they're led
by, as I think you were pointing out in the introduction -- they're
led by people who were former associates of the Defense Intelligence
Agency, Jodel Chamblain was the trigger man for FRAPH during the
military coup, when FRAPH -- when FRAPH was written was a creation of
the Defense Intelligence Agency of the United States. There's enough
indications from our point of view, at least from my point of view,
that the United States certainly knew what was coming about two weeks
before this military operation started. The United States made
contingency plans for Guantanamo.

The U.S. Ambassador in Port-au-Prince began the process of warning
American citizens and asking them to register. This was a week before
any of this, and two weeks before any of this happened. So, there was
a clear feeling that something was going to happen, and what really
happened is the combination of Jean Tatoun who is a person that the
press has rarely reported about in Gonaives, who was a former FRAPH
person who we tried and convicted for gross violations of human
rights and murder in Raboteau, and is behind what's going on in
Gonaives. He had strong connections with Chamblain, the ex-head of
FRAPH, and Guy Philippe, a former member of the Haitian armed forces
who has attempted previous coups, not only against Aristide, but the
Preval government. These people came through the Dominican border
after the United States had provided 20,000 M-16's to the Dominican
army. They came through the border, that is Philippe and Chamblain
with a really small army of about 20 or 30 highly trained military
people with these M-16's and M-60's and all of this other equipment
that came through the Dominican border with -- in several trucks with
very, very heavy equipment. And quite frankly, I believe that the
United States clearly knew about it before, and that given the fact
of the history of these people, we are probably very, very deeply
involved, and I think congress needs to seriously look at what the
involvement of the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Central
Intelligence Agency has been in this operation. Because it is a
military operation. It's not a rag-tag group of liberators, as has
often been put in the press in the last week or two. The second part
of it is that it's clear that as a result of a number of stories that
have come out in the last two days that the so-called peaceful
opposition has been working very, very closely with these people. Guy
Philippe was quoted in the Associated Press yesterday saying with a
big smile on his face that he has not been officially in contact with
the opposition, but that he has received money and support from the
Haitian business community. Well, the Haitian business community are
the people who are behind what's called the group of 184. Those are
the people who were so-called peaceful opposition. It's clear to us
that they're stalling tactics in the last week have been designed to
develop a fate accompli on the ground. I think that's what we're
seeing right now.

AMY GOODMAN: Ira Kurzban, you're saying that you believe that the
U.S. Is arming the opposition and did it through sending weapons to
Dominican Republic, which were then given over to the opposition and
came across the border?

IRA KURZBAN: That's right. I don't think that there's any question
about the fact that the weapons that they have did not come from
Haiti. They clearly came over the Dominican border when Philippe and
Chamblain entered Haiti about two weeks ago.

AMY GOODMAN: Hadn’t Guy Philippe been arrested in the Dominican
Republic at one time?

IRA KURZBAN: Yes. Guy Philippe was heavily involved in drug dealing
in Cap-Haitien and was involved in a coup against Preval. And the
reason I point that out is because a lot of the press reports are
saying this is all about Aristide and so forth. It has nothing really
to do with Aristide. This is a military operation designed to bring
back the Haitian army. And I think that the Defenses Intelligence
Agency has always wanted to push to have the army reconstituted. So
Philippe was involved in a coup in the year 2000 against President
Preval and the thrust of that then just as the thrust of it now is,
we want to bring back the Haitian Army. So under the cover of this is
all about Aristide and how undemocratic he has been and so forth,
it's really an operation to bring back the army. When he tried the
coup in 2000 he was fired from the police and fled to the Dominican
Republic and the Haitian government has made many efforts to
extradite him and to put him on trial. As a result of not only that
effort but what happened on December 17 where one of his cohorts
readily admitted that Philippe and his cohorts were involved in a
coup to take the National Palace. They have tried this two or three
times in different ways. There was an effort in July of 2001 to
capture the police stations in Haiti, and that was unsuccessful.
There was another effort on December 17 to take the National Palace,
and that was unsuccessful. And obviously, they have regrouped. They
have obtained these kinds of very, very heavy weapons. And are coming
across the border. Yes, I -- to be perfectly clear, Amy, I believe
that this is a group that is armed by, trained by, and employed by
the intelligence services of the United States. I think that the
congress really needs to take a very careful look at this now.

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Ira Kurzban, who since 1991 has been a
lawyer for the Haitian government, a Miami-based attorney. We have to
break and we'll come back in a minute.

AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, the war and peace report. I'm
Amy Goodman as we talk about the very dire situation in Haiti right
now. On the line with us is Ira Kurzban, an attorney for the Haitian
government. Do you expect to see Port-au-Prince fall to the
opposition forces, heavily armed in the next few days? Is Aristide
expecting this? Is Aristide expecting to be forced out again?

IRA KURZBAN: The president went on national TV in Haiti and also
spoke with the international community yesterday saying what's really
going on about this military coup and asking for international
assistance. I mean, the Haitians who are in Port-au-Prince and the
police who have acted very, very valiantly against very difficult
odds and the palace security are all prepared to fight, and I think
they will fight. I don't think that you are going to see the
situation that you have seen in some other places where they -- this
military operation has been able to roll into the cities because of
their disproportionate fire power. And one thing I think that needs
to be made clear, Amy, in this is when the press reports that these
people easily went into the city because there's so much opposition
to Aristide, I think it's really doing a disservice to the American
public because what's happening is people are trying to fight back
with machetes and rocks and bottles, and they're facing M-60's which
are the weapon that Rambo had in the movie. I mean, these are huge,
powerful weapons against people who are trying to stand up for
democracy and of course, you know, they are -- they have not been
able to stop this well-armed and well-trained group of commandos. And
I think the situation, though, in Port-au-Prince is very different.
There are many, many police now in Port-au-Prince. There are security
forces in Port-au-Prince. I think they're prepared to fight. I think
they will fight. I think the president, and really being a statesman,
is trying to say to the world, we need to stop this. You know, this
is the 21st century. Haiti should be moving forward. We should be
moving forward toward peace. We should resolve this in a peaceful
way. There's going to be a lot of bloodshed and with bloodshed,
there's also going to be boat people who are going to be fleeing the
country in the next six months or a year. If these guys do take over,
they're bad actors. These are people who were killers and even as the
Secretary of State acknowledged, thugs and criminals who have a very,
very bad human rights history in Haiti.

AMY GOODMAN: Roger Noriega led the delegation to Haiti to broker the
peace plan, the former aide to Jesse Helms. What do you think his
role in this is, Ira Kurzban?

IRA KURZBAN: I think Noriega has been an Aristide hater for over a
decade. I would like to think that he was really trying to broker a
sincere agreement, but when I saw what happened, and I was there on
Saturday before the President almost immediately agreed, after an
hour or two discussion, to the peace plan where it would clearly
result in his having to share power with people who have been his
bitter enemies for a long time and then the opposition said we needed
several more days, and you know, Noriega and the others were willing
to give it to them, my reaction was they're just giving them more
time so they can take over more, that the military wing of the
opposition can take over more ground in Haiti and create a fait
accompli and indeed, as soon as they said, we need an extra day, I
predicted, unfortunately, and correctly, that they would go into Cap
Haitian and indeed the next morning they did. The thing that's
peculiar and I don't think Americans understand this, the leader of
the opposition, Andy Apaid, is an American citizen. He is not a
Haitian citizen, because Haiti does not recognize dual nationality.
One must choose either their Haitian citizenship or their U.S.
citizenship. He has never renounced his U.S. Citizenship. We have the
leader of the opposition, who Mr. Noriega is negotiating with, who
Secretary Powell calls and who tells Secretary Powell, “you know, we
need a couple more days” and Secretary Powell says that's fine. I
mean, there's some kind of theater of the absurd going on with this
opposition where it's led by an American citizen, where they're just
clearly stalling for time until they can get more ground covered in
Haiti through their military wing, and the United States and Noriega
with a wink and nod as kind of letting them do that. Now they have
said no. Presumably if the U.S. is serious, about what Secretary
Powell said in preserving democracy and allowing President Aristide
to fulfill his term, he agreed to the peace plan. They have not. The
next step clearly is to send in some kind of U.N. Peacekeeping force
immediately.

AMY GOODMAN: It's interesting that you said that Secretary of State
Colin Powell called them, what did you say, criminals and thugs.

IRA KURZBAN: Thugs.

AMY GOODMAN: Because when President Clinton announced that the U.S.
was going to be moving in, to challenge the coup of 1991-94, he
talked about them as murderers and rapists and criminals. Meanwhile,
Emmanuel Constant, the head of the FRAPH at the time was on the
payroll of the Defense Intelligence Agency. This is when James
Woolsey was the head of the C.I.A. On the one hand, you have the
president attacking them and on the other hand, you have the people
leading the coup on the U.S. payroll.

IRA KURZBAN: I think that there is -- as I said before, I believe
that Congress should certainly look at, and investigate what the role
of the Defense Intelligence Agency and the C.I.A. is here. You know,
I personally believe that they are involved, given the history, given
the nature of the weapons that these people have, and given that
their major demand is the return of the Haitian army, even more than
anything -- any other demand they have made in the last two weeks,
and given these long-standing ties. So, yeah, I -- it's true that the
Secretary has said what he said, and we hope that he is sincere in
saying that. And we hope that he is going to act on it now, and that
the administration is going to act on it. The President of Haiti
facing a military coup, has now said, we need international
assistance. He said it to the world yesterday. And the question is,
will the world act or will they allow a democracy to be destroyed. No
one has ever contested that President Aristide's election was not a
full, fair election and no one has ever said that Aristide would not
have been elected in the year 2000 because of his overwhelming
popularity. The question is will the international community stand by
and allow a democracy in this hemisphere to be terminated by a brutal
military coup of persons who have a very, very sordid history and
gross violations of human rights.

AMY GOODMAN: Ira Kurzban, lawyer for the Haitian Government.

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