22612: Vishnusurf: Re: 22609: DeGraff on Ms. Grey's linguistic claims

[Bob Corbett <corbetre@webster.edu>]

From: VISHNUSURF@aol.com
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to a linguist, anonymous may be "way off the mark," but i think s/he
meant,
quite simply, that one does pronounce 2 "M's" when saying manbo. i don't
see
why dr. degraff finds her/his argument so "surprising," really... what is
"surprising" is that someone so careful in his arguments as degraff could
make
a straw man out of anonymous' admittedly amateur linguisitic observation;
anonymous in fact never claimed that the "N" in manbo was a consonant, nor
did
s/he ever claim that it was pronounced as an "N". moreover, even if in
official
haitian creole orthography the "AN" is "the nasalized counterpart of the
vowel
"A," there is still an "M" pronounced at the transition to the second
syllable
in "manbo". degraff's use of the word "manma" for comparison is not very
helpful here, for the second M is already pronounced by virtue of the
second M
in the word... i would suggest "manba" instead as a measure... do we not
say,
phonetically, mam-BA and not maBA, however nasalized we make the "an"?

if degraff is right, then the word manbo is actually pronounced somthing
like
"mangBO", and that is not how fattier has it.