29809: Emmanuelle Re : 29789: Du Tuyau; Re: Bad Allegations about bourgeoisie (fwd)

[Bob Corbett <corbetre@webster.edu>]

From: Emmanuelle Gilles <manugi28@yahoo.fr>

The DR has no problems with Haitians investing in their country.  They welcome 
the middle class and the Bourgeois - the Haitians are their main partners. 
Also, understand that it is an island divided into two.  The DR is the only 
place where one can go by car.  Any other place, you need to take a plane. It 
is thus easy for Haitian Businessmen.  Again, in my view, the Bourgeois or 
those investing in the DR are not to blame.  The whole idea of investment is to 
forecast profit in the longer term.  The Haitian Government, the State is to 
blame - either the role of investment (internal and external) on the economy is 
not recognized by the Government as crucial, either they just don't care if the 
country remains poor and isolated or either those in power are just too 
mediocre. Yes, the DR has mistreated poor Haitians, only the masses, the black 
color sugar cane cutters.  The DR has however welcomed the Bourgeois and the 
few upper middle class and accorded them with welcoming treatment.  Why?  with 
Haitians only, they generate more than US 100 millions a year - we are their 
main partners.  They don't need the black haitian poor workers but they do want 
the money of the Haitian merchants.
What the Haitians Government should do - is to create the necessary environment 
for people to invest in Haiti - they need maximum security.  Before one engages 
into a business, what do they do?they evaluate risks - In Haiti, the risk of 
doing business is 500%.  There are more risks in Haiti than the DR.  Therefore, 
we should stop blaming the Bourgeois who invest there.  Rather, you should 
blame the Government of Haiti for driving Haitian businessmen into investing in 
the DR.  I know personally many people whose businesses were destroyed by 
Aristide chimeres.  Aristide himself ordered the chimeres to ransack 
businesses.  Unless this practice is stopped and that the Government recognizes 
the role that their citizens should play at all levels in the Haitian economy, 
the DR will continue to profit - So far, the Haitian Government has done 
nothing to stop the brain drain - instead, Haitians are compelled to leave the 
country by the very situation created by a failed state.
 Canada recently granted citizenship to Haitian professionals along with their 
families.  Only the educated ones were allowed. The Government did nothing. 
Again, we should stop blaming the bourgeois for the failure of a system which 
has never valued its citizen enough to maintain them at the service of the 
country.  With regard to Haitian sugar cutters, why doesn't the Haitian 
government request the DR to send back all the mistreated Haitians so that they 
can get better treatment in Haiti. e.g.  build housing for them, create jobs 
for them - with such a cheap manpower, they can work on Haiti's land as well, 
have our own sugar cane plantations - As long as the government is adamant on 
its responsabilities, I don't believe that you should continously put the blame 
on the bourgeois, the middle class or others for investing elsewhere, even in 
the DR.  Remember, businesses have one thing in mind, Profit.  Morality is a 
relative concept in their mind. "Put your money where your
 mouth is".  I have never been in the DR however I understand those who do for 
whatever reasons.


----- Message d'origine ----
De : Bob Corbett <corbetre@webster.edu>
À : Bob Corbett's Haiti list <haiti@lists.webster.edu>
Envoyé le : Samedi, 6 Janvier 2007, 12h46mn 07s
Objet : 29789: Du Tuyau; Re: Bad Allegations about bourgeoisie (fwd)


From: viandemoulue@aol.com

Mr. Lance. It's not about the Haitian bourgeoisie. Every group and people and 
country has its problems. Ours are badder than bad, my friend.

This last week (the week before this week, or maybe this week even ... I no 
remember), Haiti En Marche publication in French about the Dominican influence 
and even daring in Haiti. It's no only bourgeois who buy and invest in the DR: 
Haitian middle class do the same. We're frankly becoming a nation of san figi 
(no face). I can't understand how someone spits at your face, and then you 
swallow it. Sorry for the language but that's exactly what it reverts to.

Seriously, no Du Tuyau joke here but ... the problems are crazy and they are 
all in the mind. But we have to start somewhere. To me, the definition of an 
elite is the social group that believes in the society/country, and works hard 
to help fix problems even though they have disproportionate privilege in 
society. You can't tell me or anybody, that I should be nice to any social 
group (middle class or bourgeois), that chooses to invest in a country that has 
a systemic approach to degrading Haitians. I just can't, can't, can't 
understand it. It makes no sense. If you want a joke on this one, here is one.

Kind of reminds me of a Soviet politician right before the perestroika/glasnost 
collapse, who said to the people of a country about free market: "well, ... if 
you're going to be raped and you're a woman, might as well relax and learn to 
enjoy it..".

To me, that is what we're doing. We're getting raped (middle and upper classes) 
and seem to enjoy it. I am a very angry puppy now about this whole DR thing. 
It's just symptomatic to me, of the level of mental degradation of Haiti and 
Haitians.

As to us not giving ... well, it's just not part of our culture. Plus, as you 
said, corruption itself as a general rule is so pervasive in society, that 
people don't feel like giving because they think you want to make just little 
more money.

Finally, it's cultural to, for midwest people in the US to give much more than 
anywhere else in the United Country of Great States, isn't it?

Okay.. I was very serious today but I must say, our elite (middle class and 
bourgeoise) are a pack of sendenden, in all seriousness. They have no respect 
for themselves or the country. The DR deals occuring are just symptomatic. I am 
truly boling inside over these issue.

A very angry Du Tuyau


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