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7964: Re: 7954: Re: 7878: Racine's version of Vodou-Dorce comments (fwd)
<< Is there such thing as an Italian Roman Catholic potato farmer? No
matter, I get your slur. >>
Kathy, you need to calm down your emotional response, that is not a slur, it
is a metaphoric comparison to an uninitiated Haitian Vodouisant working as
something other than a clergy person.
<< My husband is not uttering anything nor is he pretending to speak for the
Haitian Vodou religion as you are.>>
What? You come on this forum and you say, "my husband says this, my husband
says that..." So if he is not speaking for the Haitian Vodou religion, I
guess it must be you who is speaking for the Haitian Vodou religion, right?
And YES, Kathy, YES, I do speak for the Vodou religion as a clergy person of
that religion, just as a Baptist bishop can speak for the Baptist church. I
am not the only Mambo in the world, or the biggest Mambo or the best Mambo,
but I am an authentic Mambo asogwe with over a decade of experience and the
support of the Vodouisant community in my part of Haiti, a functioning
peristyle, and an international society which includes Haitians, Americans,
British, and people of other nationalities, white people, black, Hispanic,
gay, straight, etc.
<< The tradition in Haiti is to pass on the lwa from generation to
generation. That is the way. He doesn't post his authority on any newsgroup
or listserv, nor does he proselytize or advise anyone for money.>>
He is not competent to do so! A Houngan or Mambo in Haiti who is going to do
a kanzo announces this through whatever means are available in his or her
community - they might stand up at the beginning of a dance and say, "My
friends, you know, we will be having a kanzo next month...", they might tell
other Houngans and Mambos that they will be wanting assistance and to send
any candidates that might be interested their way (although this is less
fruitful because Houngans and Mambos compete for initiates), they might sing
a song in a Rara procession about the upcoming "journey to the source" they
will be making, and so on.
In the USA of course people use telephones and other means of communication.
Since my community is in part an online community I use the Internet. And I
repeat that the Houngans and Mambos I work with in Haiti think this is a
fabulous idea, and clamor for me to make web pages for them and help them to
find and maintain an international clientele! I have in fact done so for two
http://www.geocities.com/kanamayen/houngan.html - The first page on the Web
written in French by a Haitian Houngan, Yves Jean-Louis, Bon Houngan Salbadja
Menfo, is an associate of the Roots Without End Society, and serves in the
role of "papa kanzo" when we conduct initiation ceremonies.
http://members.aol.com/HealingMagicMan/healing.html - The personal page of a
Haitian "kwakwa man", an uninitiated traditional practitioner and a powerful
magician with very definite ideas on health and happiness. This individual,
by the way, will become an initiate of the Roots Without End Society in July,
along with his uncle (another kwakwa man) his uncle's wife, and their
Furthermore, and I have told you this before, ALL Houngans and Mambos are
paid for our work. I suggest that interested parties see the following URL:
http://members.aol.com/racine125/money.html - Money and Vodou
This page details the economy of Houngans and Mambos, describes when we are
paid and when we are expected to spend or give away money.
<<He expresses great happiness, comfort and fulfillment from his belief in
Wonderful! Why not?
<< I don't disrespect all Oungans and Manbos, most of them practice what they
know quietly and with respect for others.>>
So as long as we keep quiet we are okay? But when we talk publicly about our
work it's okay to disrepect us?
I am very proud of this tradition, I am proud of my role in this tradition,
and I am proud to provide accurate and authentic information to the world
online community! Do you have any idea how many people are scammed every day
by charlatans who perform inauthentic ceremonies for outrageous prices, and
attempt sexual improprieties in the bargain? I wish someone had made
available to me the information that is now available on my page and on the
web pages of other Houngans and Mambos, it would have saved me a lot of time,
trouble and expense.
<< You will no doubt be thrilled to know that the Artist doesn't believe in
live sacrifice either...;). There are many ways to serve the lwa....;) He
does offer food and drink, of course, but no killing in a ceremonial way. >>
That is his privilege, but it is incongruous with the Haitian Vodou
tradition, in which animal sacrifice is practiced.
You go on to write that you make your assertions "based on my readings about
Vodou (I started studying in 1980. The first book I read was Maya Deren's
The Divine Horsemen), my observations and conversations with Haitians ">>
That is like making authoritative assertions about evangelical Christianity
because you read a book by Billy Graham and talked with a few evangelical
Christians you met at a Billy Graham crusade! Look, if you have respect for
this tradition then you need to have respect for it's rules, it's principles,
and it's clergy.
Peace and love,
Bon Mambo Racine Sans Bout Sa Te La Daginen
"Se bon ki ra" - Good is rare
The VODOU Page - http://members.aol.com/racine125/index.html