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From: Matt Ray <mray@novell.com>

I find it interesting that people are calling Haitians, Carribean Jews.
  It seems related to the term Diaspora.   From dictionary.com:
The dispersion of Jews outside of Israel from the sixth century B.C.,
when they were exiled to Babylonia, until the present time.
Often diaspora The body of Jews or Jewish communities outside Palestine
or modern Israel.
A dispersion of a people from their original homeland. "

Since Haitians living outside of Haiti are called Diaspora, it somehow
makes sense that they would be called Carribean Jews.    I'm not saying
it's right, I just find it interesting.

Matt Ray
Healing Hands for Haiti

>>> Bob Corbett <corbetre@webster.edu> 01/19/02 03:41PM >>>

From: JHUDICOURTB@aol.com

> I heard this quote by Mark Twain on TV the other night.
> It probably applies in this case:   "There are many funny
> things in this world one of which is the notion by the
> white man that he is less savage than all the other
> savages."

Chamberlain responds:
Before we go any further on the intentions etc.
of Michael Dash, it should be noted that he is
an East Indian from Trinidad, who has lived
much of his life in Jamaica and whose wife is
a black/African from Guadeloupe.  That does
not give him any special virtues, but he is not
a white man writing about Haiti.

        Greg Chamberlain
JHB  response:
It's OK Mr. Chamberlain.  It just goes to show that race actually a
concept (biologists are now saying that it has no biological basis).
not necessarily about your skin color but about what you think and what
do.  I won't tell you my color or the color of the person I married.
Twain was a white man , but he was a genius, who understood the world
than most of his comtemporaries, and whose ideas seems to be timeless
colorless).  Mark Twain's observation came after he had been on a
tour in Africa at the beginning of the 20th century, and he was able
observe non-American whites being outrageously savage towards native
Africans.  We must admit that as savage as some of the violence in
Haiti may
seem these, it is only recently in the history of the world that people
European decent have seriously tried to stand up together against
violence.  There are certainly many people in Haiti trying to get
voices heard against physical violence.  But as they now say in
Violence begets violence, and it is very hard to break the cycle of

We have seen many Haitians and others on this list participating in
bashing of the Haitian culture and people. Those Haitians may have
that other cultures are clearly superior to ours.  There are all kinds
people in every society, and there is certainly a problem with the
culture of
those who choose to run things in Haiti.  But the Haitian people show
extraordinary brilliance, creativity, and  discipline in many ways.
should at least try to WORK on objectivity and see beyond their own
If you want to hear more racist slurs, I'll tell you one coming out of
African-Americans from my area:  they say that Haitians are Carribbean
There is some truth to that racial slur and included in it is a sort
compliment:  we travel the world looking for survival money and we do
advantage of opportunity.
I have heard a missionary living in Haiti, working next to a school
1500 students, saying that his own children had no one to play with.  I
understand that.  These people leave their own country to help poor
but don't really think of us as real humans.
I could go on and on about this subject because work in education.  I
tell that the violence in America has not truly subsided.  It has
another form by which the ruling class of European Americans are  hard
work creating social barriers for others.  The prime example of this
George Bush the father's 1989 plan called "Goal 2000" which has now
created a
disaster in the American Education system, and has just been crowned by
George's  new education bill.  What they call High Standards in
education today is simply High Gates to keep the minorities out of
education.  There is no such thing as objectivity, and if I was to set
standards, the current American rulers  wouldn't pass my tests.  These
in America objectivity, cultural difference,  and diversity of opinions
acceptable and are punishable.
You may think this is all digression but to me it is all one and the