TY BARTO REPLIES TO TEA NOVAK ON DISCUSSION OF THE NATION STATE.

TY Barto
July 2001

Tea writes:

I don't want to get into a political speech, but would just like to say that the concept of ONE world's government would not pass. As it is stated in Larry's reply, many new nation states emerged after the Cold War period... question is Why at that time? ..... I would simply like to urge you to check some of these 'new nation states' history, and see why their 'new' states are more sacre to them than to any other state that has its national identity for centuries! and why that same state would never give their 'national identity' for European one or Global one...

Ty Barto writes

Tea

But what can we say about the rush that these nations seek membership in multi-national organizations (governments?) like the UN, EU, NATO, WTO?

In some instances, mainly joining the UN, it is to gain more of an 'official status' as a nation. ; So does this imply that a nation doesn't 'exist' unless it is recognized by the UN? ; The debate around that question I think would be merely relegated to a 'mere' philosophical sphere as if you allow me to set up an either/or between abstract notions and concrete (abstract?) reality the reality is that a nation isn't a nation until ;it is recognized by the UN.

I would argue that there is a prevailing notion amongst the advanced capitalist nations that they need to be in some sort of global organization to ensure .. well I'm not sure what they are trying to accomplish but the US is part of the UN, NATO, WTO, (is likely to be) FTAA, along with numerous 'international treaties' such as the two that Bush is trying to get out of, the Kyoto and the '72 arms treaty with Russia that I forget the name of. ; Germany, Japan, France, Britain, all of them are in either the same groups or similar functioning ones. ; And it seems like every nation wants in to the 'club', even China wants to join the WTO and after the 'revolution' (yes I am begging for someone to talk about the '91 'revolution' in Russia ) Russia wanted to join NATO. ; Cuba seems to remain the most adamant in rejecting those type of multi-national organizations, though even then it seems to be by default as I believe Castro was ok with some type of world communist party before it just went away one week.

Ty Barto